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Old May 10, 2009, 10:51 PM // 22:51   #21
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lol make them untradeable, might as well take away someones obby armour while you are at it
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Old May 10, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05   #22
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Commerce aside, people who want the title and dislike PvP shouldn't lose out. Guild Wars already has a nice system of making things available to those who don't PvP with a little extra hard work (i.e. Faction through vanquishing, farming money for keys, etc). Also, it is only PvP-based titles which come with special emotes, it doesn't seem fair to me that BOTH of them should be entirely exclusive to PvPers only, particularly when both titles are account-wide.

If you don't like free keys through predictions, complain about that, but not trading keys. If non-PvPers want to spend ludicrous amounts of money getting the Zaishen title, isn't that our prerogative? It doesn't hurt you, and it supplies revenue to people who prefer to PvP for money instead of farming in PvE.

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Old May 11, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27   #23
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Eh, too late.
Might have been a good idea when the first came out. Too late now.
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Old May 11, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35   #24
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/not signed Zkeys make for a good other trade items above 100k like ecto plus it is the PvPers (ecto) :P
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Old May 11, 2009, 05:06 AM // 05:06   #25
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I quit PvP long time ago because of elitist pricks. Shouldnt mean I shouldnt get keys anymore because I dont want to deal with a bunch of assholes.
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Old May 11, 2009, 07:06 AM // 07:06   #26
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one of the best ideas ever. /signed
That will restore economy a bit.
I do not see this ever implemented since people just care about free money.
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Old May 11, 2009, 07:26 AM // 07:26   #27
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Trade is good.
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Old May 11, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46   #28
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make them tradeable but not able to count towards the title then (yeah I said it). If you obtain them without trading they count. Titles that are just gold sinks are stupid IMO.
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Old May 11, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39   #29
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hasnt this been suggested before? this is how z-keys should have come in the first place so that the emote actually has some relevance to a person's pvp prowess instead of everyone just buying them, lol. kinda too late now ;-)
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Old May 11, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01   #30
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Too late to do anything now.
Just delete all emotes then problem solved.
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Old May 12, 2009, 12:56 AM // 00:56   #31
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You don't want the guessing the game to give out free keys is one thing, but banning trading keys is totally another. Someone who want's the title should be able to buy since they need a ton of keys, and someone who doesn't care about the title should be able to sell since they have no use for the key. Stopping trading is bad for both groups, so fail.
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Old May 12, 2009, 01:18 AM // 01:18   #32
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Really if Zkeys were untradable from the start... no big deal, now? Far too late, not that Anet usually isn't (far too late updating things).

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As for all the people saying "lol, might as well make ecto untradable" and similar comments... sure, when Anet starts handing out 20-30+ free ectos per account every month. Seriously wtf?
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Old May 12, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24   #33
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lol no..?

If anything, nothing on GW should be untradable, I think zcoins being untradable is a stupid design decision. Something not being tradable messes with the economy.

Instead of heavy bags being at most, what, 50k? They're 50-100e or more? If people could just trade the coins, we wouldn't be in this situation that we're in now. But no, they want one single person to grind their butt off for one single item, and that inflates prices.

All making zkeys untradable would do is make it so only top GvG players are able to get anywhere decent zrank and leave everyone else down in the dirt.

Besides, Anet isn't gonna do this. They get money from people buying accounts for XTH, they change it so nobody gets zkeys, people stop buying accounts. That's not good business, and their bean counters like good business. Those are the guys that control decisions -- it's here to stay.

P.S. +1 to your fail attribute for this thread.
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Old May 12, 2009, 01:44 AM // 01:44   #34
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Too late as others have said.

PvPers make money and PvEers get a title.

Everyone is happy!
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Old May 12, 2009, 07:01 AM // 07:01   #35
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No offense, but it's too late to change them now. Not to mention it would be impossibly hard to get R12 on your own.
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Old May 13, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30   #36
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What next remove trade function?
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Old May 13, 2009, 01:03 PM // 13:03   #37
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People can still trade Flames of Balthazar.

You won't do anything making them untradable.
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Old May 13, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38   #38
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Now is useless, it would be done like 8 months ago
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